Talk:Kei Karuizawa/@comment-45200461-20200909202129

<That's not what characterize a good or bad written character.

The quality of a character is determined by the quantity of value they give to the story, and how. Kei derives all of her value from a single source, which makes her poorly written.

<Anyone in the series holds relevance and screen time because Kiyotaka interact <with them.

The point isn't that she derives revelance from Kiyotaka, it's that her ONLY source of value and relevance is from Kiyotaka.

<Shiina can have how many friends she wants, she is irrelevant if she won't interact <with Kiyo.

Shiina helps lead her class, she's a rival to people who try to get in the way of Ryuune and her classmates. That's not related to Kiyotaka, so she derives value and screen time from a source other than him. Again, Kei does not.

<Ichinose character is all about getting help from Kiyo.

Ichinose's character is about leading her class, and her altruism getting in the way of that. She only gets help from Kiyotaka to advance the plot. She has tons of screen time when she's not interacting with him. Example 1: Her confrontation with Ryuune in volume 11. Example 2: Her discussion with Sakayanagi in Year 2, Volume 2. That's just to name a couple. Additionally, most of her short stories are about helping her classmates, being friends with people outside of her class, etc. If you look at Kei's, each and every single one is related to Kiyotaka.

<Horikita same, but different from them you need to call her deuteragonist.

No. Horikita has had moments where she acts independently from Kiyotaka. A huge instance is her interactions with Kushida, and her developement with Manabu. Kiyo is the eyes and ears so that the readers can observe that development, but he doesn't have to be around her 24/7 to progress her character's role in the story. Only Kei needs that.

<Sakayanagi has an unique bond with him but Kei doesn't?

Nobody said that Kei doesn't have a unique bond with him. Where in my comment did I say that? What sentence? What word did I use to imply that?

<Anyway, if you wanna value character because of their relationship with another <characters in the series, you can't ignore that Kei is living her life chilling with her <friends

Kei projects a false identity when she's around her 'friends.' If you make a fake image for yourself to get friends, then your not actually establishing relationships between yourself and other people, just a fake, projected image. And even if her 'popular girl image' wasn't fake, her ties in the class hold no relevance to the plot.

<and Kiyotaka is the only one calling and pushing her towards him.

She literally hid behind a tree to watch Sato confess to him, she's hangs around him all the time of her own free will.

<So, maybe, you're ignoring that Kei has a role to play in Kiyotaka's character arc.

I didn't ignore this at all, I said that her only signifigance in the series is that she plays a role in Kiyotaka's character arc. Other characters have their own, genuine lives. She does not. That's the whole problem with her horrible character.

<Kei herself already completed her character.

Her character can be completed when she stops projecting a fake image and allowing a person to manipulate her freely.

<and that character arc was very well written and the greastest in the series.

No, it really wasn't.

<So instead of being a hater,

If you think a person is a hater because they ackowledge that a character is poorly written, then that's just your own sensitivity speaking.